I don’t mind controversy; some people think it makes the world go ’round. There are an entire range of legitimate questions about MMS and chlorine dioxide that we must logically and rightfully answer, for ourselves. Cautions ought to be taken as understanding is gained… but, when discourse turns into flaming, then understanding gets bogged down.
That’s the purpose of flaming, as the MMS protocol moves from being a quaint concept, to a boutique practice working its way into a mainstream modality.
Recently I received cautionary comments from two men. One of them I now feel is sincere, but the other is simply trying to be distracting and disruptive, with his own agenda. The fact that I’m addressing this here is proof that, in part, his tactics are having some effect. However, I don’t think it’s the effect he purports to want, which is for someone to take him and his “advice” seriously.
For the record, I do take his concerns seriously, because a full understanding of chlorine dioxide for internal use is important. We are paying attention to cautionary advice every day. We are also paying attention to stories of success, as well as stories of those who have not yet achieved the goal they are looking for. People with experience weighing in with their own personal experience — people who don’t know each other, who can’t be making these stories up — and the reports are extraordinarily encouraging.
Back to the flame.
Below you will see comments posted by two readers about MMS. The point of view isn’t in their words or logic; it’s in their energy. One, I’ll name, “Bruce” since it turns out he is misrepresenting himself anyway.
If you choose to read these points of view, notice how you feel. It’s the feeling of toxicity. Toxicity, and hence, dis-ease is conceived in the predominant energies that we embrace. These energies then infuse our thoughts and attach themselves to our behaviors. Agreement or disagreement is not at issue here, neither is who is “right” or “wrong.” It’s the level of impatience, criticality, judgment or disdain that we project to, or accept from others, that make our experiences and color our memories.
Both readers started out with what I felt were the same energy, but one backed off, the other stoked his sarcasm up to diatribe and vitriol, so much so that I videotaped a reply. Both of these men are Godsends, as is each person who reads these words, whatever your point of view.
Whether you agree or disagree with the writers points of view below, or with me, I ask you to send them kind thoughts and well wishes. One is clearly in pain, and feeling unloved.
At the very end, I include a letter Jim Humble sent to me in response to an earlier comment sent by Bruce.
Before we start, I’m going to suggest to Bruce that you start your own blog and post your views. If they are credible, you’ll build an audience. But my blog isn’t a place to editorialize unbalanced viewpoints.
It’s easy to be critical of others, especially when you haven’t exposed yourself to criticism. Having said that (and that which follows), you are still a blessing.
HAD THIS BLOG SENT TO ME & WANTED TO ADD MY COMMENT BASED ON REAL LIFE EYES AS A JIM HUMBLE SUPPORTER, I WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT HAVING SEEN 1 St HAND THE REACTION OF 31% NaClO2 WITH EQUAL STRENGTH ACTIVATOR & ANYONE WHO WITNESSED THIS EXPERIMENT UNDER CONTROL STUATION WOULD BE HORRIFIED AT THE VIOLENT REACTION, SHOULD ANY REASONABLE LAY PERSON WISH A COPY OF A STATUTORY DECLARATION TO THIS FACT SHOULD SIMPLY ASK FOR IT.
The reader started out saying that he is a Jim Humble supporter, yet he’s talking about an “experiment” that would cause a horrifically violent reaction. The MMS protocol uses a 28% solution of sodium chlorite, and not 31%. The “equal strength” activator is non-specific, and the actual application is not explained whatsoever.
I learned from both Jim Humble and Dr. John Humiston that in the world of oxidants, chlorine dioxide is weak compared to oxygen (O2), ozone (O3) and hydrogen peroxide (H2O2), which are widely used internally.
WE BELIEVE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO SELL THE GENUINNE JIM HUMBLE PRODUCT SHOULD SEND SOME TO A CERTIFIED LABORITORY FACILITY TO BE ANALISED SO THAT THEY ACTUAL KNOW WHAT THEY SAY IS CORRECT, RATHER THAN GOING ALL DEFENSIVE AGAINST SOMEONE WHO APPEARS TO BE TRYING TO WARN PEOPLE OF REAL ISSUE IS ABSOLUTE BULL CRAP THAT SUPPOSED JIM HUMBLE SUPPLIERS (SEEMS OBVIOUS) COULD YOU PEOPLE ACTUALLY GET YOUR REAL FACTUAL KNOWLEDGE BASE CONFIRMED BY THE LAB.
The “red flag” started going up the pole for me as I read this. How many people send their bottled prescriptions out to lab to be analyzed so they know what’s actually in there is correct? No matter who the supplier is, the product in solution is labeled, as anyone who is using MMS already knows.
DO NOT BOTHER TELLING ME ANYTHING UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME REAL FACTS
The reader turned up the flame level in a comment after this one, which I addressed in the comment area. He has since softened this approach.
Bruce Crighton
This person — I’m pretty sure it’s a man — went from alarmist to antagonistic. I answered his concerns with an entire post, not simply leaving it in the comments section. Some of my statements got under his skin, which, as a paper tiger anyway, was pretty thin.
Women tend not to address strangers in this way, something we guys could stand to learn from.
Are these the words an educated, philosphical and spiritualy guided man would use Adam.
“Now you’ve shot your wad, presenting all the fear rhetoric in your arsenal, ”
I do hope you are better than that. [Yes, I said that.]
I also hope your passion and belief in Clo2 is like mine, and not driven by the $, you no doubt have to take the attitude you have since you doing work for Jim Humble.
First flag (for this post). I don’t know what his passion or belief in chlorine dioxide is, and really don’t care. Though it’s none of his business, I don’t work for Jim Humble. But here is a person who lives in his own world, comes up with his own conclusions and demands that the world sees things his way, without any real discourse, and throws a tantrum when people are non-responsive in the way he wants.
I do’t use chlorine dioxide in my profession, it is my profession and what I know and talk about. I’m not as educated as you and have not written any books so I don’t cross reference ClO2 chemistry with thoughts on life, love, health, wealth, and transformation.
(Adam Abraham has long conducted dialogues and conversations with the world, although no one took much notice) your qoute about yourself from about this blog I understand.
He’s been checking me out. Okay, no problem there. I put that information up there so visitors could get a sense of who I am, and what’s important to me, to go along with the subjects I write about. There was no reciprocal openness or disclosure on “Bruce’s” part.
Please tell me again that my data is on Industrial strength NaClo2 but also tell me that MMS 28% NaClO2 is not Industrial strength and you will keep hearing from me for a long time, letting people know you don’t know what you are talking about.
Industrial strength is NOT in the percentage. It is also in the volume used. The volume of material and concentration are equally important. Try disinfecting a municipal water treatment system using 15 drops of sodium chlorite and an activator. It won’t happen. The MMS protocol has been scaled down for safe human use, that is why tens of thousands of people have begun using it safely, are showing positive results, and are telling tens of thousands more.
Now enough of the negative, I basicly agree with everything about MMS, previously having contact with Jim Humble re the Maleria trials when he was seeking funding.
I smell a “yeah, but…” coming.
I don’t have a problem with people getting advice from unqualifed people with no documented test or trial data supported by the appropriate accredited lab results. You make statements supporting J.H’s coments without thought.
My statements support Jim Humble’s recommendations because I have seen enough evidence that they work, just like Dr.’s Hesselink and Humiston, and a growing list of MD’s that are learning about this application of chlorine dioxide, and are now beginning to try it out on themselves, as well as their patients.
Doctors routinely prescribe a drug that was first developed as a rat poison to patients whose blood is too thick. Because “tests” have been run and it has become traditional is no reason to continue the practice, when a natural compound will achieve the desired effect by removing the pathogen overload, without further increasing the patient’s internal acidity/toxicity. These are elementary choices that, once made, can produce revolutionary effects.
Eg; wash the NaClO2 down with juice, what orange Ph 3, or tomato Ph 4, or maybe a diet soda Ph 2. and activate the remaing 80% of chloous acid in your wild and inacurate dosage claims.
Look, supply MMS at a non Hazchem rate of 5 % NaClo2 and do not make any claims about activation and leave the technical and professional side of recomendations to someone who does know what they are talking about, ME.
Sounds like a hostage negotiator.
How did you go with finding me a goverment medical approval for the ingestion or injection of NaClO2 of free ClO2…..I Thought so.
It’s hard to take this person seriously, except that he posted this in the comment section for all to see, and they should be addressed, even though on their own, his views are non-persuasive. For someone who is wracked with disease but is also fearful of making a positive change, reading this stuff could be enough for them to simply do nothing positive, which would be sad indeed.
IS IT NOT FUNNY THAT NOT ONLY I BUT OTHERS CAN NOT FIND ANY LEGITIMATE EVIDENCE TO JIM HUMBLES TESTS/WORK IN UGANDA OR MALAWAI. SOME CLAIMING HE IS BOGUS AND A LIAR. OTHERS CAN NOT FIND ANY RECORD OF THE MEDICAL FACILITIES OR PEOPLE DOCUMENTED IN HIS RECORDS. Eg below of blogs from Malawai newspaper realy look good.
http://www.nyasatimes.com/index.php?news=1164&ric=3527
I followed this link, and the article had nothing to do with MMS. However, at the bottom was another person with an agenda… or perhaps our same “Bruce” simply trying to create doubt, by fanning fears.
There’s nothing wrong with having doubts. If you are afraid, then doubts will reign. If you are not afraid, then understanding of what is best for you, will emerge.
I also read with interest the email below from Jim Humbleas a load of crap.
So he disagrees, but offers no intelligent counterpoint. It’s the lack of intelligence and the presence of fear that makes these posts important.
From: jim@jimhumble.com [mailto:jim@jimhumble.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2007 7:06 AM
To: MnRGill
Subject: RE: stories of success
Dear, MG
As you get more and more towards the acid side from about pH 8 on down to 0 the more acid you get the more chlorine dioxide is produce at a higher rate. Our lemon juice is calculated to bring us somewhere near pH 4.5 for three minutes. Lots of chlorine dioxide is generated in those three minutes, if fact one milligram. Then the water or juice is added bringing the pH up to about 5 and also diluting the strength of the solution. Soon as it goes into the body as the various fluids hit it, it eventually reaches pH7 where it still generates chlorine dioxide but at a much slower rate for up to 12 hours.
Sincerely
Jim Humble
Wonder what you think now Adam $$$$$$$$$$$
I say thank you Bruce!
Bruce Turns Up the Vitriol
Posted 1/10/2008 — I responded to this in a video…
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne4TyQ0Pnjc]
but here are his actual words, as written.
MMS is a con, so is Adam Abraham. He has finacial gains by supporting Jim Humbles dangerous unapproved and unsupported product.
You resellers/ distributors and users beaware MMS is a dangerous HAZCEM product. It is illigal to to sell products not marked accordingly. It is illigal to post this product. It is illigal to transport MMS without a material saftey data sheet and correct lables. Adam Abraham, the FAILosepher with claims of being an interlectual is not to blame, fine line between insanity and genius, hey Adam you poor SOD. Put my blog back with the facts that discredit you, Jim Humble and MMS. You clowns are a danger to society. MMS should not be taken intaviniously or orally: I can prove the dangers to your health, they can not prove any of the crap they tell people. I read with interest other blogs stating Jim Humbles trials are bogus and lies, another can find no record of the facility or medical people named by Jim Humble. Be aware Jim Humble was declined a financial donation from the Bill Gates Foundation because MMS does not have approval for the intravinious or oral use any where in the world. MMS is an Industrial strength dangerous godds Hazchem product. Put my Blog back Failosepher Adam and allow readers to be the judge you unethical master of love, life and endearment. Contact me bruce@biosafetechnologies.com
Read other supporters of MMS blogs
http://www.nyasatimes.com/index.php?news=1164&ric=3527
Can you feel the love? Well, not really, I feel pain in Bruce’s energy.
At my invitation to offer a comment, Jim Humble replies to Bruce’s first salvo
1/10/2008
Dear Bruce,
Some of your figures are correct, but if you specialize in intervention programs using chlorine dioxide and and acidified sodium chlorite technologies, hopefully you will probably understand what I have to say. I was a aerospace research engineer for 25 years before I went into mining. In both avocations I worked with chlorine dioxide and acidified sodium chlorite.
It’s a shame that people just start talking without engaging the brain, which means one should study up on what he is talking about. It is very important when something one says may prevent many people from using the product and thus from recovering from a great deal of suffering. It borders on the criminal. One really needs to know his subject. So far you are about the 4th person to start talking with no data.
When adding 30 drops of 10% critric acid to 6 drops of 22.4% sodium chlorite you have 51 milligrams of sodium chlorite in solution. Admittedly that number of drops could produce around 12 milligrams of chlorine dioxide, and would have a very high ppm in 36 drops of solution, but when you diluted it out by adding juice to it the ppm would be greatly reduced. And under no circumstances is the full 12 milligrams available to this solution.
BUT THE FACT IS, that is how much chlorine dioxide would be in the 36 drops if you could access all of the available chlorine, but you cannot access it all. In fact, when using 30 drops of 10% citric acid the total amount of chlorine available in 3 minutes is about 1 mg. Remember we are talking about 36 total drops of liquid. It does not get much stronger than this as the extra chlorine dioxide evaporates into the air. So even if you let it set longer the chlorine dioxide does not build up much. The citric acid is calculated to generate a certain amount of chlorine dioxide (which is 1 mg). The minute you dilute by adding the extra juice so you can drink it, the amount of chlorine dioxide generated is about 1 mg per hour. And when that is diluted by the body juices the amount of chlorine generated per hour is even less than that.
Sodium chlorite has a particular characteristic that makes it very useful. When it’s alkaline level is brought to an acid condition it begins to release chlorine dioxide, but not all at once when using citric acid. It releases it on a linear continuous basis for some time depending upon the amount of acid added. This doesn’t happen when you add enough HCl full strength to release all of the Chlorine dioxide immediately.
Oh yes, I almost forgot, you mentioned the HCl acid of the stomach. Then you jumped right to adding 18 drops of full strength HCl to 18 drops of MMS. Wow. So we go from using 10% citric acid to full strength commercial HCl acid. A little difference, like about 1000 times more acid strength in the HCl acid. AND, OF COURSE, IF YOU USE FULL STRENGTH HCl ACID IT RELEASES MOST OF THE CHLORINE IMMEDIATELY. I’m not kidding about the 1000 times difference in strength of acid of HCl acid and 10% citric acid. So 10% citric acid simply doesn’t have the acid available to release all the chlorine dioxide.
Now what happens when you put the MMS into the stomach with the diluted MMS and citric acid where there is also HCl acid stomach acid? Guess what, the HCl acid in the stomach is not full strength. It’s less than 5% strength. And then when that is added to the already diluted MMS which is diluted first with citric acid, and then with juice or water, there is no significant increase in the production of chlorine dioxide in the stomach when it encounters stomach acid. Citric acid helps the MMS not react to the stomach HCl acid. I’ve proven this in close to 100 tests in my lab.
Bruce the way you worded your objection you would have us believe that you have full strength HCl acid in your stomach. If you did, you would be dead. This is not data that is hard to understand. Most high school chemistry class students can grasp it. Rats tooks 100 ppm everyday for a year. That’s 10 time more than any human being ever gets even those who take way more MMS than they should. The rat tests will be available to read on my site in a few days. Anyone who overdoses will just throw it up if they drink some water.
So far all those who started talking before they studied up, just went away and we never hear from them again. My suggestion is that you apologize. If makes one appear to be much more ethical than just going away. And of course there are those who insist in the face of facts that they are right, and thus succeed in fooling a few more people into not doing something that will make them well. I apologize for being hard on you, but I’m not going to take it back because there are people who are hurt from this kind of data.
Jim Humble
There you have it… Bruce sent another “cut and pasted” comment after these, which I promptly erased, although I have the originals. They tell more about the man, the troubled spirit, than they do about MMS. They don’t further understanding of how it works (or doesn’t work), or why.
Each day we are willingly and often unknowingly ingesting or being exposed to infinitesimally small creatures and chemicals that are impacting our health by taking our body chemistry from its designed place of balance. We fight toxicity with more toxicity, and do not understand why it only creates new problems as old ones appear to be “solved.” They never really are, if we remain out of balance.
Bruce is a spirit that is not in balance. You can feel it in his energy, and presentation. Send him love. You don’t have to lift a finger to write a thing, but if you think of him, please send him love. He is asking for it. Let’s respond by sharing the power within us all.
Let love be our “bottom line.”
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Hi there,
I know that this is obviously quite some time after all these flame discussions have occured, but upon looking up this ‘chlorine dioxide and tryptophan’ reaction, I found that you’ve merely copied and pasted that abstract from one article that is the first thing that comes up on google.
Not only that but another paper has demonstrated that E.Coli is degraded by low doses of chlorine dioxide. E. Coli infection is a common ailment, and so this study shows that chlorine dioxide can in fact to be used to treat colds (but supporters already knew that :))
Another thing, Karl, is that selective oxidation can occur due to differing redox potentials- any 6th form chemist could tell you that. Heavy metals, and trace elements (transition metals), have different redox potentials- just because a heavy metal is bigger than a transition metal doesn’t mean it requires ‘more’ to be oxidised- it is just simply larger.
And all in all, while you try to disagree and talk about how dangerous it is, you are ignoring all the people who have had no complications from taking it and are no doubt healthier and happier than you are.
I myself am a chemist/biologist, and I wholeheartedly believe in medicines that are natural that have scientific evidence. Chlorine dioxide is one such medicine that I hope to be starting soon to help with my skin and weight. I would be super happy to talk about my results on here once I’ve started taking it.
Why did you remove my comment from your site? (Oct., 2010) If you only leave comments that YOU LIKE then this is not a good site as you decide what is said about MMS by others. (I also worry that leaving my own email on your site will result in a lot of spam, etc.) My BAD side effect to MMS was real and yet you removed my comments! Hmmmmmm…makes me wonder if you are tricking everyone and working with Jim Humble actually. Kind of looks like that. That is probably the only reason Jim Humble discussed anything on your web site-because you are indeed working together. Well, live and learn. You are not an honest man at all. So, if you don’t want anyone to know about the harmful effects of MMS then just close down your site and STOP allowing people to leave comments. What a joke this entire website is.
There are PLENTY comments on this site that I don’t personally like, but even honest disagreement is better than outright dishonesty, and yours is just that. EVEN YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS IS NOT YOURS. YOU KNOW IT, AND I KNOW IT. Only YOU DON’T KNOW WHY I know that yours is not yours. The joke is YOU, thinking that, for whatever reason, you can provide your own DISHONEST information as truth.
Pretty easy to make up something that sounds genuine as truth, except when you come across someone that sees through it. It’s a big world, but not as big as you think.
I allowed another of your fabricated stories on another thread. I knew you were a fraud then, but didn’t comment. When no one else commented, wasn’t good enough for you. So it’s not about “liking” everything someone writes.
The real “joke” is you.
gosh.. I’m someone just looking for the facts and was hoping mms really does live up to the claims made but I’m disappointed in the lack of critical thinking here on the part mostly of those in support of mms use. Karl seems fairly rational and his fears regarding neuro-toxicity were pretty much ignored and phaelosopher’s response seemed pretty childish..
‘You ignore the very real and serious effects of heavy metal and chemical toxicity (mercury, lead, arsenic, and thousands of others), that are doing damage and causing much of the disease that people are turning to MMS for in the first place. You ignore the fact that people who have shown the courage to do more than a token dabbling with it, have seen their energy, vitality, and health return.’
He’s not ignoring anything.. he’s just maing a point that it might be unsafe!! Totally illogical argument!! Anyhow I will keep seaching for the facts.
Bruce & Karl…I bet you guys are so crawled up in the behinds of the pharmaceutical industry & probably also have monetary gain from it, therefore all this crap you are spitting out.
I have had it with selfish & stupid idiots like yourselves. My mother contracted a bleeding ulcer due to your pharmaceutical junk which you are so modestly covering for(because that is what you are actually doing)!!!
Why not use your energy & warn people against the harmfull long term effects of ibrufen & grandpa powders, as they have fast negative side effects to people which are very harmfull ?? Please allow me to answer this question on your behalf…. “because you are only interested in your monetory gain, as it is so CLEAR that you are trying to protect interests in which you have invested(probably in the health department), although you guys are trying to hide behind fake names”. This is my feeling & opinion of the 2 of you & I am never wrong when it comes down to this, so therefore I will stand by my statement of your characteristics.
Stop what you are trying to do…and that is discredit a great product like MMS, as us common people are not as common as you think and we are busy waking up to your antics.
I live in Afica, and yes I am European. If anyone can testify to why these doctors that Jim Humble mentioned as references cannot be traced….I can. In one simple answer….”This is Africa”. Most of these african doctors and even politicians can hardly ever be gotten hold of. That is just how it is here. I know, as I deal with it every day.
My family & myself use mms, in one day it cured my sons cataract on his eye. My mother was bitten by a wild cat & instead of treating the tremendous effects of this with a tetnis injection, we used mms and the effects were gone within less than 2 days. I myself, suffering from low blood pressure which makes you feel sluggish most of the times, now feels like running a marathon.
Yes, I agree, more tests need to be done concerning mms, but used in moderation and as prescribed…I highly doubt that it is nearly as harmfull as you are trying to make it sound.
To Jim Humble…you are my hero(and I never had one), your integrity, moral value & caring shines through and for that alone I respect you and stand behind you, mms and Adam 100% !!!
Godbless & Goodluck
10/25/09 After scouring the internet for information which is with out prejudice i decided to weigh in on my current use of MMS, which I may add is my first trial run. I am in second day of use and last night I asked my girlfriend if she felt a cold coming on she said “no” – Well i asked cuz I felt a cold rearing its head.Woke up this morning my nasal /sinuses were perfectly clear – more than usual and didnt have the cold drama any where to be sensed. My girlfriend ended her use of the MMS this morning because of the smell. She in turn, this evening is sick and is now saying its a cold.
So score one for MMS ??? Not clear but for me so far, so good no nausea, no diareah, no cold. I hope for this trial run with this product that my results good or bad may help someone who sat in my seat looking with an open mind for the truth in this muddled world of “Facts.”
keep you posted …
Dan
It is obvious that Karl likes to jumble a lot of fancy scientific words and sentences to make himself more intelligent. There are always people like that…I have seen MMS cure prostate cancer, completely rid elderly people of Arthritis, and might I add “when you’re old, I doubt you will really care what the long term affect will be, if there was one” I have also seen Aids cured. Like most people I was skeptical and have thrown as much criticism at it as I could to get closer to the truth, in the end MMS won. Karl and Bruce….it is fair enough that you give your opinions, but it’s not fair that you continue your effort to discredit MMS without knowing all of the facts, in doing so you are hurting people who really need something like MMS, remember there are many people out there who struggle financially only to be victims of western medicine practice with the little money they have, I was one of them. I’ve seen MMS save lives and I’ve never seen anyone get hurt yet. Yes more research needs to be done to learn more about the long term affects, however we will have to let time tell that story as nobody really knows at this point despite all the clever geniuses floating around here. It is also important to understand why MMS is not a proven treatment, do you realize what it costs to do so and how long it takes? Understanding the politics is the trickiest part , just think of it as a car that runs on water, we all know it’s easily within reach, but each time someone exposes it they either disappear or are forced into keeping their mouth shut. Look at the “Joe Cell” The W.H.O and F.D.A and so on are a bunch of criminals linked to a whole line of corrupt organizations who just want to control everyone and everything. Let’s throw a swine flu out there and sell a billion $ worth of Tammy-flu. MMS is possibly the greatest simple discovery to mankind in a long long time, you can either be a pawn of the corrupt systems in place for us, or you can move forward in a positive light, helping people who are less fortunate than ourselves. So what if people are making money from MMS, ” nobody is making much so far” If you can help needy people and create cash flow then you’re better than 99.99% of all businesses on the planet.
MMS can only be harmful in one way, that is using it incorrectly, it can damage your arteries if you haven’t fed yourself up with Vitamin-C for a couple of weeks before starting your ongoing treatment, this is clearly explained in the second part of the book and this NEEDS to be more loud out there to prevent people from misuse even though this damaging affect is rare and easily preventable.
I can honestly say there are people still here with me today thanks to MMS so please don’t run it down before really knowing everything about it because you could actually be killing somebody in doing so.
Good luck and good health to all.
I think Karl needs to find a new hobby.
I’m so glad my family and I didn’t start taking this crap. I took two drops and that was it.
Oxychlorine compounds, such as hypochlorous acid (HOCl) and chlorine dioxide (ClO2), have potent antimicrobial activity. Although the biochemical mechanism of the antimicrobial activity of HOCl has been extensively investigated, little is known about that of ClO2. Using bovine serum albumin and glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase of Saccharomyces cerevisiae as model proteins, here I demonstrate that the antimicrobial activity of ClO2 is attributable primarily to its protein-denaturing activity. By solubility analysis, circular dichroism spectroscopy, differential scanning calorimetry, and measurement of enzymatic activity, I demonstrate that protein is rapidly denatured by ClO2 with a concomitant decrease in the concentration of ClO2 in the reaction mixture. Circular dichroism spectra of the ClO2-treated proteins show a change in ellipticity at 220 nm, indicating a decrease in alpha-helical content. Differential scanning calorimetry shows that transition temperature and endothermic transition enthalpy of heat-induced unfolding decrease in the ClO2-treated protein. The enzymatic activity of glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase decreases to 10% within 15 s of treatment with 10 microM ClO2. Elemental analyses show that oxygen, but not chlorine, atoms are incorporated in the ClO2-treated protein, providing direct evidence that protein is oxidized by ClO2. Furthermore, mass spectrometry and nuclear magnetic resonance spectroscopy show that tryptophan residues become N-formylkynurenine and tyrosine residues become 3,4-dihydroxyphenylalanine (DOPA) or 2,4,5-trihydroxyphenylalanine (TOPA) in the ClO2-treated proteins. Taking these results together, I conclude that microbes are inactivated by ClO2 owing to denaturation of constituent proteins critical to their integrity and/or function, and that this denaturation is caused primarily by covalent oxidative modification of their tryptophan and tyrosine residues.
Great, good for you. Seeing as you have so much invested in MMS (DVDs, videos, books, X amount of interviews), makes your opinion less credible due to lack of objectivity. Just like the pharmaceuticals and their ‘vested’ interests, you have yours.
There’s a few things that don’t add up when it comes to MMS. Firstly, the sudo-scientific claim that “MMS only kills the bad bacteria”. I hope you realise that this is an almost an impossible feat and has been proven wrong in some basic lab tests.
And secondly, MMS removes via oxidation heavy metals such as “mercury, lead, arsenic and aluminium” from the brain. If this is actually the case then, it must also oxidise other trace metals such as zinc, magnesium, boron and copper etc. Also, if MMS makes it to the brain in enough concentration to oxidise heavy metals, it must also take it’s toll on other parts of the brain. (I’m still intrigued by the chlorine dioxide + tryptophan reaction and the production of tryptophan precursors).
If you’re claiming that A)MMS doesn’t kill ‘good’ bacteria and that B) MMS removes only bad metals from your body then, you must realise that anyone with half a braincell will see through such impossibilities.
The truth of the matter is, MMS will oxidise everything in it’s path – brain matter, cells, throat lining, good bacteria, bad bacteria, good metals, bad metals. The claim that it’s selective in it’s oxidative powers are moronic at best.
Granted, the body has mechanisms to deal with oxidation. But continual hammering of oxidation causing chemicals will take it’s toll over the long term.
“Free radicals produced by oxidation reactions are incomplete molecules that have lost an electron. When an oxygen molecule loses an electron, it is called singlet oxygen because only one of its electrons remains. Oxygen in this state is not stable. In an attempt restore balance, the free radical tries to steal an electron away from a nearby molecule, or donate its remaining electron to a nearby molecule. In doing so, the radical creates molecular instability that damages, disrupts, and even destroys nearby cells. If DNA is involved, the problem intensifies and genetic cell mutations may occur (a theory for the common cause of cancer). Uninhibited over time, free radical damage builds in the body, thus causing aging.
Free radicals are not only produced inside our bodies, but free radicals are also ingested through smoking, eating certain foods, water and air pollution, x-rays, extended exposure to the sun and a variety of other poisons we are exposed to in our every day environment (MMS).
E.R. Stadtman, a NIH researcher on aging, explains: “Aging is a disease. The human life span simply reflects the level of free radical oxidative damage that accumulates in cells. When enough damage accumulates, cells can’t survive properly anymore and they just give up.””
The bottom line is, MMS might be a short term fix for the desperate individual, but for anyone with any sense, taking an oxidising agent is heresy.
Dear Karl,
My investment in MMS is in understanding how it works, and helping others do the same. When you first offered your opinion, I listened, researched it, and determined for myself what it meant. If correction is warranted, I’m more than willing to make it. The information you provided initially, only substantiated what has already been said here. Your interpretation was bogus, as it continues here.
I have gained an appreciation for MMS’ potential and limitations. For you to dismiss a point of view while ignoring the facts, and confirming results of thousands of people that have used it, simply diminishes your credibility. If we were to compare the effects of our respective “vested interests,” I’d look at the effects of pharmaceutical advocacy by the death toll. Hundreds of thousands of people die each year from complications due to *correctly prescribed* drugs. So many, that they have their own term, iatrogenic death.
The description of how the chlorine dioxide molecule works is not a “claim” of me, nor the MMS community. It has been articulated for years, before MMS ever became a gleam in Jim Humble’s eye. Don’t take my word for it (not that I thought you would). Here are some that pop up after a simple search. If you were so inclined, you could have done this too, and saved us both some time:
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About Chlorine Dioxide [Ashland.com a chemical company]
Chlorine dioxide (ClO2) is a powerful oxidizing biocide that we have used in industrial applications since the 1970s. Chlorine dioxide has proven to be an extremely effective biocide because of its selectivity. It does not react with ammonia or many organics, so it provides a more effective kill of microorganisms at much lower doses than other biocides. Chlorine dioxide also has the advantage of not producing unwanted byproducts such as trihalomethanes, haloacetic acid or chloramines.
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From an article in Agricultural Research [Sept. 1994]
Thousands of poultry carcasses share these communal tubs. To prevent microorganisms carried by some chickens from contaminating the water and infecting other birds in the bath, many processors use chlorine to sanitize the water. “The bath,” Tsai says, “is a critical point in the plant’s control of cross-contamination by these microorganisms.”
Now, in a 1-year-study, Tsai and colleagues in the Food Safety and Health Research Unit at Albany have taken a new look at a chemical–chlorine dioxide–that could be used to disinfect chiller water. The scientists say chlorine dioxide offers several advantages over chlorine, the most widely used sanitizer in poultry production.
In their study, the scientists confirmed chlorine dioxide’s effectiveness in killing bacteria. That includes such pathogens as Salmonella, Listeria, Escherichia coli, Campylobacter, and Entobacteriaceae.
The researchers also showed that chlorine dioxide won’t form mutagens when used in practical amounts to sanitize the chiller water. Mutagens are compounds that can cause cells to change or mutate, sometimes with harmful results.
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From Dupont [A Chemical company]
Maintaining a high quality sanitation program to prevent the ingestion of microorganism contaminated food is critical to all food operations. Food contamination can damage customer confidence, elevate financial risk due to product recalls, or even result in loss of life. Past experience has proven the need for more effective and powerful sanitation programs in food processing facilities (e.g. poultry, meat, fish, bottling plants, restaurants, dairies, and breweries).
The emergence of highly virulent strains of pathogens requires new approaches to sanitization programs. International Dioxcide, Inc. has a variety of approved applications utilizing chlorine dioxide in food processing environments. Chlorine dioxide, with its broad spectrum antimicrobial activity, can deliver kills against a wide range of microorganisms over shorter periods of contact time. Chlorine dioxide, when properly applied, minimizes toxic residues as it doesn’t produce halogenated organic by-products. Chlorine dioxide minimizes corrosion to processing equipment, tanks, lines, etc., as it is true dissolved gas in water when compared to chlorine.
Versatile Antimicrobial Activity
Chlorine dioxide is a versatile antimicrobial that can be used in numerous applications as it is effective against viruses, fungi and algae over wide temperature and pH ranges. The use of chlorine dioxide reduces contact time by 3 to 10 times over chlorine while being effective over a broad pH range. Chlorine dioxide can be used at much lower doses than typical halogen antimicrobials with far superior microbial control. Its aggressive attack on bioslime ensures less fouling of piping and practically eliminates bacterial “seeding” of process waters.
Application
All Food Contact Surfaces (USDA D2)
Chlorine dioxide can be used as a D2 sanitizer throughout food processing plants on all contact surfaces, including all processing equipment, transfer lines, tanks, trays, bins, blenders and conveyors. D2 does not require a potable water rinse after application. Sanitizers are applied using either a portable or a central system, clean in place (CIP) or clean out of place (COP).
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The Ideal Biocide [From Water and Wastes Digest]
Chlorine dioxide has been called the “ideal” biocide for a number of reasons.
• It works against a wide variety of bacteria, yeasts, viruses, fungi, protozoa, spores, molds, mildews and other microbes.
• It exhibits rapid kill of target organisms, often in seconds.
• It is effective at low concentrations and over a wide pH range.
• It biodegrades in the environment.
• Unlike chlorine, it does not generate harmful byproducts.
The biocide has been used in municipal water treatment for more than 50 years in Europe and almost that long in North America. Its use has been growing in other areas as well. For example, in the pulp and paper industry, chlorine dioxide has replaced chlorine as a bleaching agent because of its environmental benefits. (Although the two biocides share the name “chlorine” their chemistries are very different, as are the byproducts from use.)
Chlorine dioxide works by penetrating bacteria cell walls and reacting with vital amino acids in the cytoplasm of the cell to kill the organism. The byproduct of this reaction is chlorite, a material that is not known to pose significant environmental or human health risks.
Other commercial uses of the material include control of microbial growth in cooling towers and in the food processing industries, slimicide in paper-making machines, odor control in rendering and other food-processing plants and sulfide treatment in the oil and gas industry.
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There’s plenty more out there if one is willing to look. None of these companies know or care about MMS, but they speak clearly, accurately, and consistently about the properties of chlorine dioxide. Water remains roughly 80% of the body’s make-up. Dismissing chlorine dioxide’s effects on *water* — given such consistent scientific evidence that *no* harmful byproducts are produced, is the hallmark of a “scientific” mind with an agenda that isn’t serving the public interest.
You state quite authoritatively, your misinformed and inaccurate opinion of chlorine dioxide as though it was truth. Chlorine dioxide only exists as a gas, and is carried by red blood cells. If your statement that it oxidizes everything, “good” and “bad,” was true, it would also oxidize its carrier on contact, which would render it ineffective. Yet, if that were so, some of the researchers above, which go back at least 15 years when there was no conception of human use, would have reported that.
The fact that you have to support your inaccurate claim with an insulting put down, simply identifies the real moron here. It’s really unnecessary, except I guess because what you’re saying doesn’t really make sense because, if this stuff was so harmful, why would people be experiencing such improvements in health with its use? If that were the case, perhaps they should use more coumadin and chemotherapy cocktails. But then, they are doing that, and not getting better.
Your statement about continual hammering of oxidation causing chemicals is true. It DOES take its toll over the long term. However, the pollutants that the human body is constantly exposed to… the ones that are coming at it in such volume that it can’t effectively metabolize, are the problem.
If there was the slightest possibility of truth that MMS and chlorine dioxide could mitigate that condition, any scientist that really wants to help humanity would be actively researching to learn more about it, and how to do it in the most efficacious way. Instead, you claim it to be pseudo-science, and dismiss it as unbelievable. Shows how “open” your mind is.
You present no viable alternatives to the present way of doing things, when the real problem affecting human health today remains the effects of unprecedented levels of pathogen intake in the human body. Modern medicine sticks its collective “head in the sand” to maintain the status quo while people continue to die needlessly. Your failure to acknowledge this FACT while denouncing chlorine dioxide with inaccuracies, simply shows YOUR unprincipled bias Karl.
If you think taking MMS and chlorine dioxide is heresy, what do you think taking any of the thousands of poisons that are prescribed by doctors and dispensed by nurses and pharmacies all over the world every day represents? Social and professional dementia comes to mind. Fortunately, the patients can wake up, because they really want to regain their health. The professionals are another story, that is, until they lose their own health and then must either fall on the sword they’ve carried for their profession, or venture off the grid into natural, non-toxic waters, and give themselves a chance at health again. Their biggest challenge is having to acknowledge their own years of self-delusion, and the thousands of people they bankrupted and unnecessarily escorted to their graves by relying on ineffective and truly toxic treatment strategies.
Kind regards,
Adam…
This is the thing, you don’t know that it does no harm to you or not. The point in my friend posting what he did is that nobody has any idea what the effects of this strong oxidiser actually are inside the body. Everybody can claim to know, but in reality, it’s impossible to know. Even the most studied and well known drugs are found out sometimes to be damaging to individuals as technology improves.
I really hope MMS isn’t, and in no way am I saying it is. There’s just allot of factors you need to take into consideration before you start downing this stuff. For example; If you have cancer, or are HIV positive, then it would be a good idea to consider it. Beyond that, unless the illness is life threatening, I really see no real point in risking it.
Also, if memory serves, Jim Humble said it is active for upto four hours inside the body.
This is the thing. I know more about it than you do. I’ve used it myself, more than you have. I’ve talked to more people about it, including Jim Humble, medical doctors, and scientists who attest to its efficacy, and I’ve spoken to people who, with an open mind, have used it themselves with tremendous results.
You say it’s impossible to know, but I’ll tell you that it’s possible to know a heck of a lot more than you’re demonstrating here. And.. the people who no longer have cancer, warts, hepatitis, and many other conditions, know how they feel now versus before they started. You’ve not acknowledged this at all. And yet, if people weren’t saying these things, MMS probably wouldn’t warrant your attention.
You ignore every point that I’ve mentioned, even though your post reveals that you know little of what you’re talking about, even though you burst on this forum as though you knew. I examined the “evidence” that you posted and found that what it actually meant was the opposite of what you said. And yet, you’re still ignoring the facts.
BTW, Jim Humble said that the chlorine dioxide molecule exists for 2 hours. After activation, the MMS solution will generate chlorine dioxide for up to 12 hours. But then, if you cared about being responsible for what you say, versus regurgitating and misinterpreting some else’s information, you’d have remembered that too.
Why is me being concerned about other peoples’ health and doing legitimate research into possible neuro toxic effects, dishonourable? My house mate actually posted under a his name FYI.
Google it “Chlorine Dioxide Triptophan”. Check it out. I’ve been in contact with quite a few people about this, and they have agreed, there needs to be allot more information gleaned before people start downing this stuff like there’s no tomorrow.
The real disinformation is that MMS only oxidises anaerobic cells. An oxidiser is an oxidiser. Atoms steel/gain electrons from whatever they can, there’s no intelligence in it, as it has been suggested.
I did actually take it for a day, to see what would happen and noticed some fast acting narcotic like effects. Within 10 minutes of taking it, I noticed I felt allot different, my awareness level had changed and I felt slightly light headed. How could it , if all ClO2 does is oxidise, have such a marked physiological affect within such a small time frame? There wouldn’t have been enough time for a mass pathogen die-off. After taking it, I looked into possible neurological effects and noticed it reacted with the Amino acid tryptophan, and the outcome of which was tryptophan precursors – some of which are mutagenic in nature.
Google it. I’ve got nothing to gain or lose from people taking it. I just want people to be aware that it could in all possibility damage your pineal gland.
Dear Karl (say hello to John)
You express quite a bit of concern about the effects of a molecule that only exists for 2 hours, and breaks down into salt and water if it doesn’t react to a pathogen You ignore the very real and serious effects of heavy metal and chemical toxicity (mercury, lead, arsenic, and thousands of others), that are doing damage and causing much of the disease that people are turning to MMS for in the first place. You ignore the fact that people who have shown the courage to do more than a token dabbling with it, have seen their energy, vitality, and health return. You ignore the fact that chlorine dioxide is the ONLY oxidizer that is approved to be sprayed on meat without being rinsed off. Indeed, if you eat meat or chicken, chlorine dioxide is actually helping keep you from getting E. coli and Salmanella poisoning. And if you read my response to your house mate, who basically said the same thing you’re espousing here, you may (assuming you’re of an open mind), see that there are other ways of interpreting the data that you submitted.
The scientist’s report on chlorine dioxide was not antagonistic to the chemical. In fact, he simply explained, in his language, what it does. However, when that language is deciphered, he simply confirmed that it oxidize pathogens.
Your concern about the mutagenic nature of some of the tryptophan precursors also need not be looked at with fear. What about the mutagenic effects of the heavy metals, and other poisons that are already present in the brain due to years of exposure? I don’t see you questioning that, or cautioning people not to be vaccinated, get mercury fillings, or drink chlorinated and fluoride laced water. Why do you focus on the the chemical that does no harm to our biology, but ignore the thousands that do? Why do you ignore the positive results that people are getting and celebrate them instead of coming up with bogus causes of concern like being “trapped” in the physical reality after death due to pineal gland damage? How the hell would you know?
If you have nothing to gain or lose from people taking it, then you should be willing to acknowledge their success. The very limited experience that you’ve given yourself leaves you in no real position to speak with any authority or credibility.
Best wishes,
Adam..
It’s come to my attention that Chlorine Dioxide may have a neuro toxic effect, due to Chlorine Dioxide actually reacting with Tryptophan in the brain, and creating mutagenic by products. Also a whole host of other reactions that can have a negative impact on your immune system, neurological system and intestinal system. You are literally playing with fire taking this stuff.
Nice pyramid in the background phael, where’s the other eye?
Dear Karl/John,
Your dishonorable intentions are showing. Unless you’ve got mercury toxicity in the brain (which MMS could help) and have forgotten, you posted the same disinformation in comments under another article (MMS and Prostate Cancer: Context Change, ‘Woo Woo’ and Common Sense), except you used a different name.
The true impact on the immune system is whether it is strengthened or weakened… whether health returns, goes unchanged, or recedes. MMS use is growing only because with proper use, the predominant result for a wide range of people is an improvement in their health. Since chlorine dioxide is used as a safe water treatment chemical for commercial, industrial, and municipal applications, it stands to reason that it would be also be effective as a pathogen reducer when carefully applied to the waters within.
Thank you for giving readers another opportunity to understand the difference between disinformation and useful information.
Adam…
Thank you, point taken. I’ve started taking MMS anyway, and to tell you the truth, I feel great. I’ve got clear thoughts, alot more energy and can plough through my uni work like there’s no tomorrow with no “hang on a sec, what was I just doing” kind of moments.
What I meant was, any sane person should be worried about anything they put in their mouths.
Don’t forget the Xenoestrogens such as Sodium Lauryl Sulphate/Sodium Lauryth Sulphate and Endocrine disruptors such as the paraben family. Check your shampoos and conditioners, I guarantee you are washing yourself with Xenoestrogens (they mimic estrogen and stay in your body for upto 5 days).
http://www.cosmeticsdatabase.com
🙂
We’re in full agreement.
Best wishes!
Adam…
Don’t get me wrong, I have my worries about MMS. Any sane minded person should have! We are talking about ingesting a dangerous chemical here. At this point in time, I feel like I have read enough to understand the chemistry involved and it’s interactions with the human body. There is one thing I’m not 100% sure of though.
Once ingested into the body, does Chlorine Dioxide gas still remain to be made? If so, where does that go?
Dear Karl,
A sane person should have worries about Warfarin, Coumadin, acetaminophen, aspartame, and ibuprofen. A sane person should have worries about any of the almost 400 chemotherapy drugs (see a list and count for yourself here http://www.chemocare.com/bio/), and thousands of others that are antagonistic to the healthy functioning of the body. A sane doctor would think twice about administering them. Talk about ingesting a dangerous chemical.
In the minute amounts that are being used in the MMS protocol, chlorine dioxide is “dangerous” only to pathogens… only to that which, by its mere presence or overgrowth, is obstructing the body’s normal functioning. Even when people have been totally *stupid* and ingested sodium chlorite right from the bottle at full strength, all they had was a more acute detox effect. It wasn’t fun, but it wasn’t lethal. If you’re still thinking chlorine dioxide is a dangerous chemical, you’ve got a bit more homework to do. Indeed, chlorine dioxide is the only disinfectant that is approved by the EPA to be sprayed on meat, such as poultry, that doesn’t have to be rinsed off, because the molecule naturally breaks done to water and a small amount of salt.
Best wishes,
Adam…
I have read intensively about sodium chlorite (MMS). Everything from Jim Humble including all the videos on UTube as well as personal research on the internet about it. My wife and I have been taking it for about two months. We’re up to 15 drops twice a day and it made such a difference in so many ways, from totally “melting” if several melanoma growths, one on my face, some on my forearm. We work in the public a lot and handle money from people who cough and sneeze. We used to have colds and get the flu so frequently but not since we’ve started taking MMS. We get “attacked” by colds and flus but it lasts a day…two at the most now compared to two to three weeks feeling like crap! To me this demonstrates a stronger immune system which is what MMS does after it has cleansed what does not belong in the body.
We used to get the “runs” which is the result of the cleansing from MMS but we don’t any longer.
Taken as recommended by Jim is safe and it works, period!
Thanks for the opportunity to write about our personal experience with MMS. If everyone took this stuff as recommended, no one would need anything from the pharmaceutical industry which is way much more damaging to the body.
Yves Vincent
See the Curezone website for ‘more of Bruce’.
http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1111412
All of this is pretty interesting… but it gives the readers another view at chlorine dioxide.
Someone asked me the difference between 28% and 31% chlorine dioxide… I can see that it is 3%, but what does that mean in taking it?
I really don’t know where they are getting the 31%. It must be an industrial cleaner they found in LA?
They wanted to know — how to dilute a gallon of the the 31% chlorine dioxide to 28%…
Does anyone have any experience here?
I am just of the phone after recieving a call ftom Adam. It was a pleasure to talk to him and I believe he benifited as much as I did from our conversation, he pointed out some concerns which need clarified, when I mention “snake oil” I use it as meanining of a cure all. And that ClO2 is the best cure all I know of. Also ClO2 is my business and passion and I certainly believe in it’s healing properties and uses. The concentration and activation method’s are my concern and will keep arguing these point’s. But those that use MMS and find the benifit’s from it should keep using it.
Bruce.
PS SOME OF MY SPELLING IS NOT AS GOOD AS MY INTENTIONS
HI AGAIN ADAM & OTHER READERS,
FROM THE SINCERE GUY, PLEASE RESTORE THE BALANCE, I KNOW WHAT I HAVE SEEN & HAVE CHECKED FIRST HAND THE HAZARDOUS HANDLING RATING OF JIMS BREW, BUT IN TODAYS SOCIETY OF GOVERNMENT RED TAPE, DUTY OF CARE & ASSOCIATED LEGAL PROBLEMS, TO ME IT WOULD SHOW A LOT MORE LOGIC TO USE A 5 % PRODUCT, NOT THE HAZARDOUS RATED 28% or 31% STRENGTH PRODUCTS, WHICH ARE ONLY MORE EFFECTIVE IF YOU HAVE TO CARRY THEM INTO THE JUNGLE & SIZE & WEIGHT OUTWEIGH THE DANGERS OF STENGTH OF THE GOODS.
AS I HAVE CHECKED INDEPENDENTLY THAT 5% STRENGTH SOLUTION DOES NOT HAVE A HAZARDIOUS CHEMICAL RATING & THEREFORE AT LEAST IN TRANSPORT & SAFE HANDLING REDUCES UNECESSARY RISK & I SAYING THIS TO ENCOURAGE MANY USES THAT WE HAVE GAINED THE KNOWLEDGE OF, BUT AT THE SAME TIME LOWER THE DANGER. SO TO MY WAY OF UNDERSTANDING WE ARE NOT TRYING TO MINITURIZE WHAT WE WANT, AT ANY UNECESSARY RISK, SO WHY NOT USE THE 5% STRENGTH AT SAY 5 TIMES THE AMMOUNT IF YOU WANT TO BE CLOSE TO EQUAL AMMOUNT AS PER RECOMENDATIONS BY Mr JIM.
PLEASE GIVE THE TEST I SUGGESTED A TRY & BE CAREFUL & TOO JIM I WOULD SUGGEST THAT AT THE POINT IN TIME WHEN INGESTED PARTLY ACTIVATED NaClO2 THAT WHEN IT COMBINES WITH ENEOUGH ACTIVATING MATERIAL (ORANGE JUICE, LEMON JUICE, VINEGAR, STOMACH ACIDS, ECT.) ADDED TO WHATEVER WAS ORIGINALLY PUT IN OF NaClO2, YOU WILL FIND THAT THE TOTAL AVAILABLE CHLORINE DIOXIDE WILL BE RELEASED LEAVING NO RESIDUAL & ?? POSSIBLE SUDDEN OVERDOSE TO BOOT.
JUST A SINCERE MUG WHO TRIES TO UNDERSTAND WHY I USE SOMETHING BEFORE I TAKE IT NO MATTER HOW SICK I MAY BE.
REGARDLESS SOME POISION/TOXINS CAN KILL & MOST OF US KNOW OF SOMEONE TAKNG WOLFREN, I THINK (RAT BAIT POISION LIKE YOU SAID) BUT THEY HAVE A VERY STRICTLY MONITORED CHECK ON HOW MUCH.
SORRY FOR THE LENGTH ON YOUR PAGE ADAM
MIKE GILL
To read relevent data relating to my comments and other’s responses got to the site below.
http://phaelosopher.wordpress.com/2008/01/11/mms-the-flame-post/
Adam makes some fine point’s in his U tube viodeo. And I openly accept (and need) the love he and his supportes are going to send me. But I will repeat again and again he does not understand chlorine dioxide technology, and his attitude is not to. His last blog to me was so full of flaw’s I am not wasting time telling hhim any more. Amazingly he has never asked any simple questions like what I would recomend. I pray he does not believe it will enlarge my penis or enhance my male properties as I recieve enough spam rubbish about that every day and now have a complex. He has not asked if I use NaClo2….answer is yes, but at strenghts safe to do so. I am open to any chalange about my remarks relating to MMS.
He makes comment about another blog user that seems sincire, WELL ADAM HE WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT CONTACTED ME REGARDING PUBLISHED MMS ARICLES. AND HIS COMMENTS ABOUT IT’S DANGEROUS STRENGTH WERE BASED ON TEST’S I DID IN FRONT OF HIM TO PROVE MY CLAIMS OF WHY I WOULD NOT SUPPLY HIM WITH A HAZCHEM PRODUCT LIKE MMS.
And to show monetry gains by MMS I offer to supply that exact equivilant chemical (28% NaClO2)under my own company’s brand and HAZCHEM labled accordingly. And transported under the dangerous good’s code of practice, with a disclaimer to MMS information (as it is bogus) so other’s can share in Jim Humbles new found wealth.
WORK IT OUT FOR YOURSEF PEOPLE.
Below is what MMS sell’s for
* Orders of 100+ bottles, please inquire.
Miracle Mineral Solution
Jim Humble’s 100% authentic and original “breakthrough” formula. 4fl. oz. solution of 28% sodium chlorite in distilled water. 5.5 ounces by weight. Usually ships in one to three business days. Order here for family and friends.
Ingredients: NaCLO2 Sodium Chlorite
$19.99
This equates to $400.00 US for 4 litres of 28% NaClO2. (100 4 oz bottles)
I will supply 5 litres of 28% NaClO2 for $50.00 US + shipping.
But I would rather supply our non hazchem product for those interested with proper use and activation data.
Anyone caring to email me at
bruce@biosafetechnologies.com can have this information.
Bruce
Hello Adam.
Thank you for your response, and the kind words well wishes. And know I don’t know you, but you don’t know me.
Firstly I appologise to you and your readers if I offended you with some of my comments, I did feel a relaxed and a calming peace of mind when watching your U Tube article. And I openly accept remarks about my aggresive attiude in my response’s, I find the best form of defence is attack, (and probably is not always the right answer) so when you attcked me about shooting my load and talking rhetoric I took offence.
I can see by your U Tube article you are an intelligent and educated man.
But in response, I do exist as the person stated and so does Biosafe Technologies P/L. We are in talks with a web designer about our content right now. Hence no info.
I took you advice about creating my own blog (below) and will put your details in a comment for people to go to to read all of our remarks.
http://biosafetechnologies.blogspot.com/
Bruce
I appreciate this post Adam.
This gentleman, “Bruce”, also left a comment on my blog which was intercepted by the moderator. He seems to be pointing the accusatory finger although not backing up his statements. It goes without saying that he was rude but I agree with you in that he is in need of kind thoughts.
So for Bruce
…all this anger is no doubt lowering your pH. As for myself, I have read what you posted and yet I am thankful that in this country I am still free to make my own health management choices. Having been in the care of medical doctors and then finally being told there was nothing else they could do…I looked at anything and everything outside of what they would prescribe — and I got better… extraordinarily better! But I spent thousands of dollars searching for it. Had I known of MMS 10 years ago, things would be much different for me now. It is the least expensive thing that I could have used and I could have continued on with my life. But I have learned much and for this I am thankful. What survivors of serious illness know is not what is in a book exactly, but what they learned by their own personal experience. The healing of the body is not a liar. Coming out of pain…24 hour pain… is not a fraud or a hoax. It speaks the truth and very loudly.
Frankly Bruce, when a doctor dumps you and says they cannot help you and you have to learn to live with it…what is a person to do? I can tell you — had someone told me that putting M&Ms in my ears and rubbing fabric softener on my belly would fix my problem, I would have done it…even if someone like you told me that it was dangerous. Why? Because the only thing worse than being dead is wishing you were, because there is no vacation from the dis-ease or the pain — and that was where I was at. There are many very, very sick people today that are being discarded by their doctors because of laws that are suppose to be there to protect the citizens, but in reality are there to protect monetary interests of all of those making money off of the sick. Bruce, how sick is that?
So, until you meet and know someone on a personal level that has struggled with life and death and spent every last dollar in the hopes that the doctor would fix them and then had their hopes crushed — (for most this is when the insurance runs out) — then please refrain from posting out of anger and try posting from your heart for your fellow man. Post from the viewpoint that you are thankful to have the good health that you now enjoy and that you understand, even in part, that others too want to have what you have.
Bruce, I also want you to know that I use MMS and it is not only simple and extremely inexpensive to use but I know of others using it and not one has had “problems” with it and almost all report benefits… a few with no benefits at all…but no harm done. We cannot say the same for most approved drugs that are on the market.
Sorry for such a long comment Adam…but again I appreciate your article and the clarification.
I’ve been reading all this material the past few days with interest as someone who is using MMS. I have no background in chemistry so had nothing to go on other than the feeling level being presented. The level of vitriol was a disturbing red flag. The feeling of really needing to be right on Bruce’s part, rather than sincerely caring about and informing the public felt to be off and icky. It was hard to read his information because there was so much attack energy.
Good scientific research is important so as to honestly evaluate the product but also to keep fear mongers from driving people away. I think there are those out there who have much to lose if a cure to some of these diseases would be found. It would seem there’s plenty of evidence already that MMS is really beneficial and has been life saving. Naturally that will attract negative attention.
I was glad to read Mr. Humble’s response and have to say on a feeling level I was really impressed. He even apologized for “being hard” on Bruce which I thought was quite kind. This “feels” like a person who genuinely cares about others…even his attackers and that gets a huge vote for credibility of motive. I appreciate what you’re doing and think it’s great that more and more doctors and scientist are getting involved so the research and field experience will be able to clearly speak for itself. It’s disturbing how many toxic and life threatening treatments are out there that have been approved by the “scientific authorities”. Discourse is good. I appreciate this blog and respect Adam’s intention to keep it going in what he perceives as a balanced direction. That’s the right of every editor.